HDD to HDD Internal Transfer Rates

Only recently though, have I seen this problem really metastasize; reduced transfer rates during multiple HDD to HDD file transfers.

First of all, I understand that sending files “single-stream” from one HDD to another in a single transfer allows for the most direct Read/Write instance, and thus the fastest rates, and that queuing multiple transfers slows that down because the drives are having to do a lot more platter skating, but what I have a hard time understanding is where is ALL that bandwidth overhead going?

For instance, I may be running a HDD to HDD transfer and hitting 130M/s, but when I cue another transfer, they may both settle to less than 40M/s, which leaves a transfer rate discrepancy of more than 40M/s just -gone-. I couldn’t seriously be losing this just to seek times across platters? Could I?

Even on some “single stream” transfers, data is still spread across multiple platters, and I don’t see a degradation in speed.

Another example is when running transfers between four completely unrelated drives.

I may be running transfers between drive A to drive B, one drive on channel 1 and the other on channel 2, and when I run a transfer from drive C to drive D (Say on channel 3 and channel 1, respectively) the -entire- list of transfers bottoms out in speed, with a large discrepancy of missing bandwidth once they all settle down into their anemic rates.

I thought this could be a case of buffer under-run, but across the entire system?

All of my drives are SATAII or better, and all have 32MB or better, all running on 7200RPMs.

Does anyone know what’s going on here? Am I missing something?

I think your forgetting your mainboard has to process this info too. your south bridge has to deal with data from the HDD’s and could be slowing the bottleneck slowing the process.

when making 2 transferes between 2 HDD’s the heads have more work to do and their 2 seperate jobs so they conflict for resources. when you make a single transfere, the data streams smoothly, start to finish and the heads dont need to jump around wrighting data. when making 2 transferes, on one disk the south bridge must decide what the HDD does for each job and the hdd has to deal with 2 sets of instructions. theoretically 2 jobs should take half the wright speed each but when you take into account the processing needed and the ineficiancy of the heads jumping back and forth working 2 jobs you loose wright speed.

Now, making 2 transfere’s on 4 disks. i suspect that is more your south bridge bottlenecking the large volume of data being streamed to it combined with the time it takes to process it all and keep running a OS.

basically your computer is only as fast as the slowest needed part for any given action.

just for good messure, when making 2 transfere’s with 4 HDD’s, monitor your CPU and RAM usage to eliminated the possability of them causing the slow downs.

also defrag you HDD’s, your drives will jump back and forth filling in blank space left behind from deleted files or apps, this causes delays as the heads need to move about more.

im no expert but thats the basic idea behind it. hope that answers your question or atleast helps you get a better grasp on what is involved in the process.

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SSD for Primary Work HDD?

SSD I wanted to get another year or two out of my work laptop so I bumped the RAM to 8 GB and purchased a small (64 GB) SSD. In preparation for the install, I have been browsing the internet, reading up a bit.

I notice a fair amount of discussion on SSD concerning data loss and drive failure. I cant have that… I back up as much as the next guy (every several months), but I need it to be as reliable as a spinning HDD… Should I be nervous?

About the system:
HP G72 Laptop with 8 GB DDR3, 64 GB Patriot Torqx2 SSD (Windows 7/64 bit), Western Digital 500 GB (data drive)

I have used my OCZ Vertex 2 for a year and a half as my primary drive and have had no issues with it. Newer drives are even better. Here is a good place to start. Best SSDs For The Money

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How To Boot From SSD Without Removing Old HDD

I have a XPS 17 laptop and I installed a SSD and cloned my HDD to it. I can’t take my old HDD out since the laptop isn’t easy to disassemble. I tried going into the BIOS but it’s not letting me change the boot order for the drives.

Is there a way for me to change the boot order so I can boot from my SSD? If I reformat my HDD, would that solve my problem?

First off, when installing a SSD the recommended method is to remove the HDD so that only the SSD is connected and a clean install is used. Cloning a SSD to a SSD is no problem, but when you clone a HDD to a SSD you need to edit the registry to enable TRIM also most likely the OS on the SSD will not have an aligned OS partition.

If the Bios does not allow boot priority to be selected then as Hawkeye22 stated, you MAY have to swap HDD/SSD position. While you can not see the “Boot prioity” in the Bios it is there (just not sure 2nd Disk drive is listed) and formatting the HDD (AFTER SAVING YOUR DATA) may do the trick (Don’t you just hate the Ulock/limited Bios functions in laptops). PROVIDED both drives are the standard SATA connector. I know some have started to mix mSata with SATA for daul drive laptops.

Also have a 17″laptop with daul HDD bays, But mine are easily accessable as each bay has a screw to release the cover over each bay.

Bottom Line – My recommendation is to 10 Remove HDD, install SSD in that sata port (2) reinstall windows, clean install. (3) when installation is completed reconnect your HDD where you now have the SSD (4) then save all your data from the HDD, reformat and put your data back on the HDD. Envolved, Yes – Hard, quess so, Worth the time and effort, in the long run – YES

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HDD Capital Spending in 2012 and Beyond

In order to repair the damage to the HDD supply chain from the 2011 Thailand floods as well as meet the increasing need for digital storage the hard disk drive industry must continue to make investments in capital equipment and production facilities.  Future increases in HDD areal density as well as increasing unit sales will drive significant capital spending investments that will impact the revenues of companies such as Anelva, Hitachi High Technologies, Innovative Instruments, Intevac, KLA Tencor, Teradyne, Xyratex, Veeco, and many others in the next few years.

The 2012 Hard Disk Drive Capital Equipment and Technology Report provides 207 pages of in-depth analysis of technology developments and capital equipment spending to sustain the growth and development of the hard disk drive industry.  Some highlights from the 2012 report include:

169% growth in HDD capital spending is expected from 2011 to 2016, driven by three factors:  unit shipment increases of 167%, the introduction of new HDD technologies such as HAMR and the replacement and repair of equipment damaged in the 2011 Thailand floods.

Between CQ4 2011 and CQ4 2012 over $1 B in capital spending is expected to repair or replace equipment and facilities damaged in the Thailand floods.

HDD and component companies have more cash to invest in equipment and technology development in 2012 and 2013, due to higher drive demand, limited drive supply and higher HDD prices.

Total industry spending on capital equipment in 2012 is expected to be about $2.4 B with 72% of this spent on process equipment, 21% on production test and 7% on metrology.

Average HDD capital equipment spending per year between 2008 and 2016 is estimated at about 7.2% of HDD industry revenue, with this percentage increasing in the last years of this period due to new technology introductions.

HDD areal density has slowed to 20-25% annually but 3.5-inch HDDs with storage capacities of 12 TB and 2.5-inch HDDs with 6 TB are expected by 2016.

Lower AD growth will drive more components per drive and thus more capital spending on head and media production equipment in coming years.

Industry consolidation and recovery from the Thailand shortages will result in higher HDD prices than 2011 at least until 2014 and likely HDD prices will flatten out about 10-15% higher than in 2011—this will help fund expensive new technology transitions by 2015-2016 and increase areal density growth rates to 40+% CAGR.

The normal capital equipment cycle will likely be re-established by 2014.  Capital purchases in 2014 and later will be driven by increasing unit demand (assumed 14% annual growth) as well as the introduction of heat assisted magnetic recording in 2015 and 2016.

The 2012 Hard Disk Drive Capital Equipment and Technology Report is now available from Coughlin Associates. To find out more about this report please see the brochure at http://www.tomcoughlin.com/techpapers.htm

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External Hard Drive

image An external hard drive is a type of hard drive which is connected to a computer by a USB cable or other means. Modern entries into the market consist of standard SATA, IDE, or SCSI hard drives in portable disk enclosures with SCSI, USB, IEEE 1394 Firewire, eSATA client interfaces to connect to the host computer.

Modern external hard drives are compatible with all operating systems supporting the relevant interface standards they operate with, such as USB MSC or IEEE1394. These standards are supported by all major modern server and desktop operating systems and many embedded devices. Obsolete systems such as Windows 98 (original edition), Windows NT (any version before Windows 2000) old versions of Linux (older than kernel 2.4), or Mac OS 8.5.1 or older do not support them out-of-the-box, but may depend on later updates or third party drivers.

How to add an External Hard Drive to you computer?

Adding an external hard drive to your computer is an easy way to increase your computer storage. You can use your external drive to back up files or transfer files from computer to computer.

  1. External hard drives connect to your computer via an USB, firewire or SATA cable. Check your computer to see which interface your computer supports. In general, firewire is the fastest, so if your top priority is transfer speeds you may choose to go with firewire. On the other hand, if you intend on using the drive with multiple computers you may prefer to get a USB 2.0 external hard drive since most computers have a USB interface port.
  2. Determine your storage needs. Computer storage is pretty cheap these days so it’s a good idea to get the most storage you can. 100GB may seem like a lot, but if you download music and movies it can add up quickly. Compare prices and find a compatible drive with sufficient space for your needs
  3. Once you have found the right drive for your computer, it’s time to attach it. External drives are very easy to add since they do not require you to open up your computer. Simply connect it to a power source and use the cable it came with to attach it to your USB, firewire, or SATA interface.
  4. Your pc will recognize the drive when you plug it in. After attaching your drive, your computer should recognize it immediately and assign it a letter and name, such as “Removable Drive F:”. At this point your drive is ready to use and you can click on it as you would any other drive to access its contents.

How to Partition an External Hard Drive?

When you add an external hard drive, you may do so for a number of reasons. But once you have that hard drive installed, creating different partitions for different purposes can expand your available options. Partitioning an external hard drive is just like partitioning an internal hard drive—just be sure that you are careful when you start your partitioning and make sure you are working with the external hard drive and not a drive that you want—partitioning a drive will immediately erase all information on the drive forever.

  1. Check your external hard drive to ensure that there is no data on the hard drive that you want. As soon as you start the partitioning process, all data on that drive will be completely and forever erased.
  2. Run the Microsoft Management Console. This can be started by typing “MMC” in a command prompt window, or just typing “MMC” in the “Start Search” box in the Windows Start menu.
  3. In MMC, add the Disk Management snap-in. This can be done through the File menu by selecting add snap-in. Select “Disk Management” from the list.
  4. Right-click on the disk in the list of disks at the bottom of the snap-in. From this short-cut menu, you will have various options related to the partitioning of the drive. You can expand the partition, delete the partition, or shrink the partition. You can also mark it as the primary partition if you like.
  5. Format the new partitions. Using the same shortcut menu, you should format all the partitions that you wish to use. You can also set their drive letters here if you like, so your operating system will know which drive is which letter.

Plan ahead how many partitions you want and what size they will be so you know how you will set this up when you get to that point. Partitioning completely erases all contents of a disk immediately.

Where to buy External Hard Drive?

  • Find the right external hard drive for you at Oyyy.co.uk
  • Top 20 Most Popular External Hard Drives on Amazon.com
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Data Storage: Hard Disk Drives

  • Hitachi Global Storage Technologies
    Showcases Hitachi’s hard disk drive technology including the Ultrastar, Deskstar, Travelstar, Endurastar, and Microdrive digital range.
    www.hitachigst.com
  • Castlewood Systems, Inc.
    Designs and manufactures ORB removable media drives.
    www.castlewood.com
  • Hutchinson Technology
    Supplier of suspension assemblies for hard disk drives.
    www.htch.com
  • Portable Hard Disk
    Parallel port adapter for PCMCIA 1.8′ removable Hard Disks and 2.5′ Hard Disk Drives and regular 3.5′ Hard Disk Drives.
    www.datafab.com
  • Logicube, Inc.
    Manufacturers of hard disk drive duplication and diagnostic products.
    www.logicube.com
  • BUSlink
    External hard drive for CD-RW or DVD plus RW.
    www.buslink.com
  • PMC Technologies, Inc.
    Manufacturer of Data Partner removable disk drive subsystems.
    pmctech.com
  • Prostor Systems
    InfiniVault Archive Appliance from ProStor Systems, features automated archiving and compliance via removable disk for small to medium enterprises.
    www.prostorsystems.com
  • FlexStar Technology, Inc
    Disk drive test equipment manufacturer offering solutions for every need, from single-port portable systems to multi-port production racks and environmental chambers.
    www.flexstar.com
  • Guzik Technical Enterprises
    Manufactures test equipment for the disk drive industry. The site is used for technical support.
    www.guzik.com
  • EasyDisk
    Offers EasyDisk portable USB hard drives in a wide range of capacities.
    www.easydisk.com
  • Hard Drive Data Recovery and Repair Labs
    Computer Solutions’ Hard Drive division has experience in Hard disk data recovery and repair. We’ve fixed drives hit by lightning, floods and even Dos 6.2.
    www.drivelabs.com
  • Digital Measurement Systems (DMS)
    Supplier of test equipment used to measure the magnetic properties of thin film media.
    www.dms-magnetics.com
  • Accurite Technologies Inc.
    Manufactures floppy drive alignment disks and testers, PCMCIA prototyping and development kits, extender cards, and floppy drive subsystems.
    www.accurite.com
  • Prostor Systems: RDX Storage Solutions
    RDX removable disk technology provides simple and safe removable storage solutions for home and small business data backup and recovery.
    www.rdxstorage.com
  • DataCity
    Provides removable hard drives and kits.
    www.datacity.com
  • Kieu’s Direct Source, Inc.
    Sells all major brands and models of hard drives and tape drives including Dell, IBM, Compaq, Exabyte, and more.
    www.kdsdrives.com
  • ThumbDrive
    Maker of USB flash memory hard drives to replace floppy and zip disks, compact flash, and smartmedia cards.
    www.thumbdrive.com.au
  • Kobe Precision
    Suppliers of substrates for disk drive manufacturers, as well as providers of wafer reclamation services for the semiconductor industry.
    www.kpi.com
  • Pockey Europe Ltd
    Offers portable hard disk drives, compatible with PC’s, Mac’s, and laptops.
    www.pockeyeurope.com
  • TTi, Inc.
    Testers for the harddisk drive industries.
    www.tti-us.com
  • Inter-Tech Corporation
    Producers of rugged hard drives for defense and industry.
    www.datamobile.com
  • Hard Drives 4 Less
    Specializes in new and refurbished hard disk drives for desktop PCs, workstations, servers, and laptops. Also sells PC cameras, internal modems, and disk controller cards.
    www.hd4less.com
  • Toli Packaging Industries
    Specializing in cleanroom compatible packaging containers for hard disk drives and electronics components.
    www.tolipackaging.com
  • Duplication Products Northwest
    DPN distributes Y-E Data industrial drives exclusively.
    www.dpninc.com
  • NEXDISK
    Manufactures a portable USB storage drive with plug and play simplicity for Windows, MAC, and Linux.
    www.nexdisk.com
  • Storage Solutions, Inc.
    Featuring Raid, backup, failover storage and storage fault tolerance for all networks, operating systems and computer solutions.
    www.ssi-usa.com
  • MemoryHead.com
    Offers computer memory and hard drive upgrades.
    www.memoryhead.com
  • Ontrac Data
    Servicing and selling floppy drives.
    www.floppydrive.com
  • Magretech, Inc.
    Offers new and refurbished magnetic disk heads, and repairs and spares for a variety of computer peripherals.
    www.magretech.com/index.html
  • SCSI Shop
    Specializes in various SCSI server equipment including hard disks, tape and DAT drives, and SCSI cards.
    www.scsishop.co.uk
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How you should deal with the hard disk which contains important data

If you have problems with a hard disk which contains important (valuable) data:

* any kind of manipulation with the hard disk or with software could hinder data retrieval or could cause an enormous increase of the retrieval costs.

* do not use any software, even if some guys (internet) told you to do so

* do not run chkdsk or defragmentation, even if you are told to do so

* do not open a hard disk if you don’t have the knowledge, training and the tools (even then you may expect to lose the data)

* contact a (local) DR company; supply them with complete information

* perhaps some data recovery forum could guide you to find the right Data Recovery company

Four solutions for you:
1. you are the typical user who knows all better than a pro – then try DIY – it’s your data

2. you store your hdd in a safe place for some time – until you got the money

3. you put the hdd into the garbage – you will stay poor and won’t get enough money

4. you look for a pro – even here in the data recovery forum – get an estimate on “money for data basis”

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Basic Information of Hard Disk Drive (Part I)

Modern hard disks feature an area that contains information that the CPU on the HDD logic board uses to operate the drive. The area is called the “system area” (“SA”). This area contains for example the drive ‘microcode’ (a.k.a. firmware), HDD Configuration Tables, Defect sector tables, SMART information, Security info (drive passwords etc), Disk ID info and more. These categories of information are called ‘modules’. So the SA contains a module for the firmware code, a module for the SMART info etc.

The SA is stored on ‘negative cylinders’ of the HDD and therefore is not accessible by normal read commands. However, the area can be accessed with other ATA commands. An example of a (more or less) ‘standard’ ATA command that can access info on the SA is the ‘download microcode’ ATA command that can be used to update information in the firmware code module. However, most of the commands that can be used to access the SA are vendor specific. Since vendors (obviously) don’t want users to mess around with the SA, these commands are generally not made public. However, these commands can be deduced by, for example, reverse engineering the firmware code itself.

This reverse engineering has been done and led to development of tools that can issue these (vendor specific) ATA commands and can read/write almost all sectors in the SA. One example of such tool is PC3000 (‘PC3K’). A tool like this contains tables per HDD model, containing these vendor specific ATA commands and also tables with sector numbers on which the different modules are stored, also per HDD model. SA Sector numbers are counted in “UBA’s”. For example, one specific HDD might use UBA 4 to store the ‘DISK ID’ module, where another HDD model might use another sector for this module.

So in short, to create a tool that can read/write data in the SA, you need to:

1) know (and understand) the (vendor-) specific ATA commands that can be used to access this area and

2) know on which UBA sector the specific modules are stored.

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